December 2002

/ Merry Christmas from TINAC - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - Coke



/ Confirmation... - Friday, December 13, 2002 - D 0ne

[Thu Nov 21 23:15:08 2002] You told gaunt, 'could i get your email address if i wanted to send u sometihing?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:15:24 2002] Gaunt tells you,
[Thu Nov 21 23:15:32 2002] You told Gaunt, 'can anyone else read it?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:15:37 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'no'
[Thu Nov 21 23:15:47 2002] You told Gaunt, 'kk '
[Thu Nov 21 23:15:52 2002] Gaunt tells you, ' '
[Thu Nov 21 23:15:57 2002] You told Gaunt, 'k'
[Fri Nov 22 00:07:51 2002] You told gaunt, 'still got a sec?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:07:58 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'sure'
[Fri Nov 22 00:08:58 2002] You told gaunt, 'u know about , why he was suspended, and who used him?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:09:08 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'no'
[Fri Nov 22 00:09:21 2002] You told Gaunt, 'do u want to?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:09:28 2002] You told Gaunt, 'u might not like the answers though'
[Fri Nov 22 00:09:49 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'sure'
[Fri Nov 22 00:10:19 2002] You told Gaunt, ' was suspended because during his time at verant he, or a co worker , placed an item on him that was a 350 pt dd, insta click'
[Fri Nov 22 00:10:46 2002] You told Gaunt, 'its a violation of verant policy for items like this to be put on employee's "player chars"'
[Fri Nov 22 00:11:18 2002] You told Gaunt, '2 officers that i know of, used to get exp'
[Fri Nov 22 00:11:42 2002] You told Gaunt, 'they could and would go to the deep and clear a good part of the zone'
[Fri Nov 22 00:12:44 2002] You told gaunt, 'they made their exp by using this item and then made comment when other members were not yet 65'
[Fri Nov 22 00:13:37 2002] You told gaunt, 'when asked about this item and if it was cheating, the response was, well since i am an officer i dont have time like everyone else to get exp the normal way'
[Fri Nov 22 00:13:50 2002] You told gaunt, 'so i dont think its wrong for me to use this item'
[Fri Nov 22 00:15:46 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'ok'
[Fri Nov 22 00:15:58 2002] You told Gaunt, 'do u think its wrong'
[Fri Nov 22 00:16:19 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'for?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:16:53 2002] You told Gaunt, 'her to lvl like that, tell everyone else they need to level, and then go on to say that she doesnt condon cheating'
[Fri Nov 22 00:17:01 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'who?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:17:04 2002] You told Gaunt, 'pena'
[Fri Nov 22 00:18:23 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'well thats a tough one'
[Fri Nov 22 00:18:29 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'i mean'
[Fri Nov 22 00:18:38 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'ive used pathing bugs to level'
[Fri Nov 22 00:19:03 2002] You told Gaunt, 'maybe its just me , i see it as wrong'
[Fri Nov 22 00:19:09 2002] You told Gaunt, 'hypocritical and wrong'
[Fri Nov 22 00:20:14 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'so why was he baned?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:20:31 2002] You told Gaunt, 'its against verant policy to have items like that "gm items if u will"'
[Fri Nov 22 00:20:35 2002] You told Gaunt, 'on your player character'
[Fri Nov 22 00:20:49 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'how did they know?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:20:54 2002] You told Gaunt, 'not sure'
[Fri Nov 22 00:21:40 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'so hes always had this?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:21:44 2002] You told Gaunt, 'yes'
[Fri Nov 22 00:22:16 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'hmm'
[Fri Nov 22 00:22:38 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'so what if its hypocritical?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:23:14 2002] You told Gaunt, 'i dont like hypocracy'
[Fri Nov 22 00:24:05 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'i dont see the big deal'
[Fri Nov 22 00:24:36 2002] You told Gaunt, 'ahh kk , just watned to see what your opinion was'
[Fri Nov 22 00:25:04 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'she spends all her time doing stuff for the guild, shes run like 5 mazes, comes helps in trails'
[Fri Nov 22 00:25:11 2002] You told Gaunt, 'i agree'
[Fri Nov 22 00:25:13 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'so whe Plevelled a bit'
[Fri Nov 22 00:25:21 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'ive done the same in mino elder room'
[Fri Nov 22 00:25:27 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'using aoe rains'
[Fri Nov 22 00:25:38 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'with my shaman'
[Fri Nov 22 00:29:21 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'you really think this is a big deal?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:26:23 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'and as far as ehr complaining about people levels, ya its a bit hypocritical, but shes doing it for the good of the guild, we need levels'
[Fri Nov 22 00:26:37 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'and if she could use this safely to help them, i know she would'
[Fri Nov 22 00:26:50 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'but this kinda thing has to be kept quiet'
[Fri Nov 22 00:26:54 2002] You told Gaunt, 'she wouldnt and didnt'
[Fri Nov 22 00:27:33 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'so you asked her to help you?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:27:50 2002] You told Gaunt, 'no but others have and were turned away'
[Fri Nov 22 00:31:07 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'afk, dogs'
[Fri Nov 22 00:31:19 2002] You told Gaunt, 'had to walk mine in the rain'
[Fri Nov 22 00:31:19 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'Sorry, I am A.F.K. (Away From Keyboard) right now.'
[Fri Nov 22 00:34:38 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'well'
[Fri Nov 22 00:34:41 2002] Gaunt tells you, 'im back'
[Fri Nov 22 00:35:17 2002] You told Gaunt, 'afk a sec, talking to wife'


[Thu Nov 21 23:15:19 2002] relix is not online at this time.
[Thu Nov 21 23:46:44 2002] You told relix, 'heya u busy atm?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:46:57 2002] Relix tells you, 'browsing in bazaar'
[Thu Nov 21 23:47:03 2002] You told Relix, 'got 5 mins to talk?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:47:09 2002] Relix tells you, 'yea'
[Thu Nov 21 23:47:30 2002] You told Relix, 'do u know why was suspended?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:47:38 2002] Relix tells you, 'yea'
[Thu Nov 21 23:47:53 2002] You told Relix, 'do u know how pena and rae got 65 so fast?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:48:35 2002] Relix tells you, 'yeah, but it was only maybe 20&PCT; that, the rest was done normal'
[Thu Nov 21 23:50:03 2002] Relix tells you, 'i'm aware, if they 100&PCT; that they'd have beat me to 65 easy, even beat c4.. but they didnt'
[Thu Nov 21 23:50:33 2002] You told Relix, 'if it were all exp true, but not if they went aa'
[Thu Nov 21 23:50:46 2002] You told Relix, 'rae didnt even have am3 before he started to use '
[Thu Nov 21 23:51:04 2002] Relix tells you, 'rae has had am3 for a long time'
[Thu Nov 21 23:49:26 2002] You told relix, 'u know she and rae with could clear most of the deep'
[Thu Nov 21 23:51:20 2002] You told Relix, 'but not before he started using '
[Thu Nov 21 23:52:08 2002] Relix tells you, ' wasnt used that much, rae still drools over how many points i have heh, he cant have that many'
[Thu Nov 21 23:52:28 2002] You told Relix, 'i guess what i have to ask is, do u think it was wrong'
[Thu Nov 21 23:54:55 2002] You told relix, 'sorry did i ask if u thought it was wrong? mid other tells too atm'
[Thu Nov 21 23:56:43 2002] You told relix, 'u think because shes an officer, a duty that she herself took on, its ok for her to cheat?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:55:55 2002] Relix tells you, 'that depends, i think Pena deserved it cuz she does so much for the guild and spends a #### of alot of time helping guildmates than progressing herself'
[Thu Nov 21 23:57:53 2002] Relix tells you, 'i think she's entitled a lil leaway once in a while, and i would think anyone who busts thier ass for this guild would deserve some too'
[Thu Nov 21 23:58:34 2002] You told relix, 'hate to say it but i disagree with you'
[Thu Nov 21 23:59:15 2002] Relix tells you, 'but if i can turn the tables.. you think buying stuff on ebay isnt cheating?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:59:27 2002] You told Relix, 'yes i think it is'
[Thu Nov 21 23:59:55 2002] Relix tells you, 'i dont give people slack for that either, but that's just me'
[Fri Nov 22 00:00:09 2002] You told Relix, 'what i am saying is that i think its wrong for her to say ppl must lvl and then use that item'
[Fri Nov 22 00:00:21 2002] You told Relix, 'i dont agree with the well shes an officer excuse'
[Fri Nov 22 00:00:36 2002] You told Relix, 'i also dont agree with teh holier then though attitude about it'
[Fri Nov 22 00:01:02 2002] You told Relix, 'saying that we wont cheat, or exploit and then she turns around and uses to lvl herself and rae'
[Fri Nov 22 00:01:03 2002] Relix tells you, 'i've been tellin people to level too, and i've never touched it =p'
[Fri Nov 22 00:01:12 2002] You told Relix, 'and to be honest i admire u for that'
[Fri Nov 22 00:01:34 2002] You told Relix, 'but its not fair to set a double standard'
[Fri Nov 22 00:02:06 2002] You told Relix, 'and if it wasnt wrong, then wouldnt still be playing?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:05:52 2002] Relix tells you, 'the only party you can blame is Verant for allowing it to stay, cant blame people for wanting power'
[Fri Nov 22 00:06:46 2002] You told Relix, 'thats like saying u cant blame the murder but blame colt and wesson for making the gun'
[Fri Nov 22 00:08:04 2002] Relix tells you, 'yes, you could blame them for that, why was the gun made'
[Fri Nov 22 00:08:30 2002] You told relix, 'i meant murderer'
[Fri Nov 22 00:08:40 2002] You told Relix, 'thats some wacky logic there i hate to say'
[Fri Nov 22 00:11:54 2002] Relix tells you, 'but RL differs from here, this is a controlled environment, RL is not, there are millions of guns available in the RL which can not be controlled, there is 1 item in this game that could have been controlled but was not'
[Fri Nov 22 00:13:08 2002] You told Relix, 'u really dont think its hypocritical?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:15:08 2002] Relix tells you, 'if anyone has cheated in any way in this game ever, by either using 3rd party programs, pathing exploits, or whatever would just be as hypocritical no?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:15:33 2002] You told Relix, 'would it be wrong, yes, is it just as hypocritacal, no'
[Fri Nov 22 00:18:20 2002] Relix tells you, 'the way i see it is if someone who has cheated before is now complaining about someone else cheating is hypocritical aswell, everyone in this game pretty much has cheated one way or another, but where does it begin and where does it end?'


[Thu Nov 21 23:16:06 2002] You told morrison, 'heep?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:14:27 2002] You told morrison, 'u got a sec?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:14:40 2002] Morrison tells you, 'yea'
[Fri Nov 22 00:14:50 2002] You told Morrison, 'do u think pena was wrong in using '
[Fri Nov 22 00:16:03 2002] Morrison tells you, 'not really. how she came off to guild was the bad part I think. regarding levels an such, when she had did hers that way'
[Fri Nov 22 00:17:37 2002] You told morrison, 'i cant believe that most of the officers think that its ok'
[Fri Nov 22 00:18:04 2002] You told morrison, 'even from the ones that i asked tonight, i cant believe that the reponse that well its "officer privledge" or wahtever u want to call it is ok'
[Fri Nov 22 00:24:29 2002] Morrison tells you, 'i may feel differently (actually, i know i would) if it was an actual illegal third party program. but it wasnt. why do you think its wrong?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:24:52 2002] You told Morrison, 'because its hypocritical'
[Fri Nov 22 00:25:05 2002] You told Morrison, 'to say others need to lvl and she and rae cheat to get theres'
[Fri Nov 22 00:25:11 2002] Morrison tells you, 'oh, i agree with that completely.'
[Fri Nov 22 00:25:38 2002] You told Morrison, 'thanks'
[Fri Nov 22 00:26:00 2002] You told morrison, 'i was going to make a post, serb suggested i talk to some of the officers'
[Fri Nov 22 00:26:19 2002] You told morrison, 'i will tell u that most of the officers feel'
[Fri Nov 22 00:26:34 2002] You told morrison, 'or consider it offcier privledge if u will'
[Fri Nov 22 00:27:05 2002] Morrison tells you, 'i dont think its that at all. more a privledge bestowed by to use what he gained for a year+ service at soe. beit officer or member.'
[Fri Nov 22 00:27:31 2002] Morrison tells you, 'and I think making any kind of public reference is a bad idea imo. because you will only be hurting '
[Fri Nov 22 00:28:07 2002] You told morrison, 'yeah i agree i dont want or intend to hurt , not my intention at all'
[Fri Nov 22 00:28:34 2002] You told morrison, 'but i feel sorry for ppl like arative who believe that its done "normally"'
[Fri Nov 22 00:29:27 2002] Morrison tells you, '(semi afk, scuse response delays) what do you
mean by done normally? or, perhaps explain what you mean by what arative feels'
[Fri Nov 22 00:29:40 2002] You told Morrison, 'kk one sec'
[Fri Nov 22 00:30:17 2002] You told gaunt, 'its all relative, its not like a hit and run, or anything that happens in real life, but i think that it certainly shows a persons character'
[Fri Nov 22 00:30:35 2002] You told morrison, 'he made a statement about yeah go and join cynosure where they exploit'
[Fri Nov 22 00:30:46 2002] Morrison tells you, 'to whom?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:30:49 2002] You told morrison, 'i feel like smacking him and saying, look in your own back yard'
[Fri Nov 22 00:30:52 2002] You told Morrison, 'cynosure'
[Fri Nov 22 00:31:00 2002] You told Morrison, 'on the board'
[Fri Nov 22 00:31:11 2002] You told Morrison, 'under they mysha thread'
[Fri Nov 22 00:31:14 2002] Morrison tells you, 'i musta missed that. okd'
[Fri Nov 22 00:32:18 2002] Morrison tells you, 'i dont really think it was exploiting per se. more enjoying the benefits of someones hard work.'
[Fri Nov 22 00:32:51 2002] You told morrison, 'ahh i dont think verant would agree, however its definately a grey area'
[Fri Nov 22 00:33:04 2002] Morrison tells you, 'well, verant is who gave it to him.'
[Fri Nov 22 00:33:11 2002] Morrison tells you, 'but, it was intended solely for him.'
[Fri Nov 22 00:33:18 2002] You told Morrison, 'actually a co worker gave it to him'
[Fri Nov 22 00:33:19 2002] Morrison tells you, 'and I think, for his own sanity, he should've kept it that way.'
[Fri Nov 22 00:33:29 2002] You told Morrison, 'true'
[Fri Nov 22 00:33:43 2002] Morrison tells you, 'same thing, he still garnered it from his time at soe. and I know for a fact there are a number of other gms with similar toys throughout every server'
[Fri Nov 22 00:34:20 2002] You told Morrison, 'doesnt make it right for them to have it on their play chars either though'
[Fri Nov 22 00:35:21 2002] Morrison tells you, 'i dunno. as long as they dont physically ruin someone elses fun, by stealing spawns, helping guild advance beyond what they normally could do, etc. i dont see a problem with em enjoying being an employee of the people who make the game'
[Fri Nov 22 00:37:05 2002] You told Morrison, 'afk a sec, talking to wife'
[Fri Nov 22 00:37:17 2002] Morrison tells you, 'k, grabbin a drink myself'


[Thu Nov 21 23:18:05 2002] You told bloregarr, 'is there an email i can send u something?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:18:24 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'whats up?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:18:26 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'real blore i take it?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:18:29 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'yes'
[Thu Nov 21 23:18:42 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'well i will tell u in a sec lemme kill this thing'
[Thu Nov 21 23:20:39 2002] You told bloregarr, 'basically i had a message that i was going to post, but i thought i would run it past a few officers first'
[Thu Nov 21 23:20:58 2002] You told bloregarr, 'i am positive that i am the reason that Pena made that post'
[Thu Nov 21 23:21:10 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'part of it'
[Thu Nov 21 23:21:38 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'sending email now?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:22:01 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'can in a few, guess what i would like to know is how many of the officers know about '
[Thu Nov 21 23:22:16 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'what about him'
[Thu Nov 21 23:22:25 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'why he was suspended'
[Thu Nov 21 23:22:28 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'who used him'
[Thu Nov 21 23:22:38 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'i know pena, rae, and aeri know'
[Thu Nov 21 23:22:50 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'also a few of the members'
[Thu Nov 21 23:22:58 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'whys it matter/'
[Thu Nov 21 23:23:04 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'u dont know'
[Thu Nov 21 23:23:14 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'do u know why he was suspended?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:23:14 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'whats it have to do with loot?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:23:17 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'yes'
[Thu Nov 21 23:23:20 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'nothing'
[Thu Nov 21 23:23:31 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'its not about loot it is about hypocracy'
[Thu Nov 21 23:23:41 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'hows that'
[Thu Nov 21 23:23:47 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'pena making complaint and saying that ppl are slack cause they arent 65'
[Thu Nov 21 23:24:24 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'one sec train'
[Thu Nov 21 23:25:17 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'basically pena and rae were using to level'
[Thu Nov 21 23:25:26 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'and then complaining that other members were not lvl 65 yet'
[Thu Nov 21 23:25:49 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'i agree with you there'
[Thu Nov 21 23:25:52 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'when i questioned her about it, i was told that she didnt feel that it was wrong'
[Thu Nov 21 23:25:57 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'but pena didn't bust balls about getting 65'
[Thu Nov 21 23:26:06 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'that i know of'
[Thu Nov 21 23:26:10 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'bust balls no'
[Thu Nov 21 23:26:14 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'but comments were made'
[Thu Nov 21 23:26:45 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'rae recommended the ranger requirements, am3 endless quiver, and didn't get them himself until '
[Thu Nov 21 23:27:02 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'i think its hypocritcal for her to say that Vae wont explot and then to go and use something like that'
[Thu Nov 21 23:27:27 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'saying that because shes an officer and she has to devote time to guild things'
[Thu Nov 21 23:27:29 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'vae as a guild wont'
[Thu Nov 21 23:27:29 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'that she doesnt have the time to lvl like a normal person , is bullshit'
[Thu Nov 21 23:27:50 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'ohh i agree with u there, but if the leader is, then there is an obvious suspscion that must be cast'
[Thu Nov 21 23:28:04 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'i just dont see why it matters much'
[Thu Nov 21 23:28:13 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'im pretty laid back, my response is so what'
[Thu Nov 21 23:28:33 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'seems like you're seeking something to be upset over'
[Thu Nov 21 23:28:50 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'i think that she needs to be called on certain things'
[Thu Nov 21 23:28:55 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'that obviously being one of them'
[Thu Nov 21 23:29:02 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'the other is how we are progressing thru pop'
[Thu Nov 21 23:29:06 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'whats so wrong about it'
[Thu Nov 21 23:29:15 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'free xp so what'
[Thu Nov 21 23:29:33 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'u mean about the bracer?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:29:45 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'bracer?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:29:59 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'ahh whatever it was, that had, i heard it was a bracer'
[Thu Nov 21 23:30:17 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'but i know it wasnt technically a bracer, i just use that cause thats what i was first told that it was'
[Thu Nov 21 23:31:24 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'also i think its unfair that other officers are under the assumption that Pena and Rae actually worked to obtain lvl 65'
[Thu Nov 21 23:31:42 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'whys it matter? i still dont get it'
[Thu Nov 21 23:31:53 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'i think its hypocritcal'
[Thu Nov 21 23:32:38 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'if it doesnt bother then, thats fine , i am just saying for me, i think its wrong of her to do that'
[Thu Nov 21 23:33:15 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'bother then..blah blah'
[Thu Nov 21 23:34:11 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'seems you're bitter and chaneling that into something'
[Thu Nov 21 23:34:36 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'to me'
[Thu Nov 21 23:35:54 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'nothing to be bitter about really, like i said if u dont think that its wrong, then so be it, i cant make you, or any other officer think differently of it'
[Thu Nov 21 23:36:16 2002] You told Bloregarr '[queued], but i for one dont approve'
[Thu Nov 21 23:37:05 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'i feel sorry for people like arative who say, "go join cynosure, if you want a guild that exploits" when all he has to do really is look in his own backyard'
[Thu Nov 21 23:37:18 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'your gripe is that she did it at all, or said we dont cheat then went ahead and did it anyway'
[Thu Nov 21 23:37:30 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'both'
[Thu Nov 21 23:37:41 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'more the second part then first'
[Thu Nov 21 23:37:50 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'but i dont think that should be condoned'
[Thu Nov 21 23:38:04 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'guess i have a scewed pov on it'
[Thu Nov 21 23:38:22 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'nah its just an opinion'
[Thu Nov 21 23:38:31 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'everyones got one, thats what makes us different'
[Thu Nov 21 23:38:58 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'only one person has to loot in the mirror in the morning, thats you, if u dont have a problem with it , thats fine'
[Thu Nov 21 23:39:00 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'if you had acess to a game item that raked in that xp you wouldn't use it?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:39:17 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'it wasn't an exploit per se, thats another thing'
[Thu Nov 21 23:39:37 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'i know verant would think different'
[Thu Nov 21 23:39:52 2002] You told Bloregarr '[queued], would i use it, hard call'
[Thu Nov 21 23:40:04 2002] You told Bloregarr '[queued], i admit that it would be tempting'
[Thu Nov 21 23:40:22 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'having never been put in that situation, couldnt really tell u'
[Thu Nov 21 23:40:42 2002] You told Bloregarr '[queued], my first instinct would be possibly'
[Thu Nov 21 23:41:00 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'but then after considering it, i would have to ask myself, why?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:41:52 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'because timesink camps are annoying, and its nice to have some fun occasionally when so much of being an officer is frustration'
[Thu Nov 21 23:42:28 2002] You told Bloregarr '[queued], i dont accept the excuse well its ok because i am an officer and i have to devote my time to doing other things'
[Thu Nov 21 23:42:46 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'thats not the reasoning'
[Thu Nov 21 23:43:01 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'shouldnt need to have fun cheating'
[Thu Nov 21 23:43:57 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'if u had to say, whats the officer concensus on it? '
[Thu Nov 21 23:44:05 2002] You told Bloregarr, '@#%$ happens oh well?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:44:22 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'consensus on what happened to ?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:44:49 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'yeah, and penas using '
[Thu Nov 21 23:45:02 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'it hasn't been brought up except once'
[Thu Nov 21 23:45:12 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'there isn't any decernable consensus'
[Thu Nov 21 23:45:32 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'do u think its wrong?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:45:50 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'cant say that i do no'
[Thu Nov 21 23:46:08 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'k, thanks for being honest bout it'
[Thu Nov 21 23:48:00 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'is that what your post/email is about?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:48:08 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'basically yes'
[Thu Nov 21 23:48:12 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'oh man'
[Thu Nov 21 23:48:21 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'please do not post that, it will do so much harm'
[Thu Nov 21 23:48:49 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'that questions about why our tactics are so @#%$ up when we had 2 ppl in beta'
[Thu Nov 21 23:49:03 2002] You told bloregarr, 'why the standard answer is well that musta been changed since beta'
[Thu Nov 21 23:49:13 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'whys that quesiton that?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:49:27 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'and the answer is because our beta testers didn't pay attention/write @#%$ down'
[Thu Nov 21 23:49:35 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'and u dont think thats @#%$ up'
[Thu Nov 21 23:49:43 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'its very disheartening'
[Thu Nov 21 23:49:45 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'again my response is so what'
[Thu Nov 21 23:49:49 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'we'll figure it out anyway'
[Thu Nov 21 23:51:10 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'why do you want to post about ?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:51:35 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'i think its wrong'
[Thu Nov 21 23:51:47 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'it will just kick up a @#%$ storm and cause instability in the guild, lower our reputation because it will inevitably get leaked out, more than it has already'
[Thu Nov 21 23:52:51 2002] You told bloregarr, 'i havent decided that i am going to, serb said that he just doesnt think it will do much'
[Thu Nov 21 23:53:01 2002] You told bloregarr, 'and by your response i somewhat agree with him'
[Thu Nov 21 23:53:27 2002] You told bloregarr, 'but i dont see how a person can lead if they cant even set an example'
[Thu Nov 21 23:53:34 2002] You told bloregarr, 'i own a company'
[Thu Nov 21 23:53:41 2002] You told bloregarr, '235 employees'
[Thu Nov 21 23:54:08 2002] You told bloregarr, 'i dont tell ppl its ok to cheat on milage reimbursement, taxes, defraud medicare or anything of the sort'
[Thu Nov 21 23:54:16 2002] You told bloregarr, 'it me its a matter of pride'
[Thu Nov 21 23:54:32 2002] You told bloregarr, 'and whats just'
[Thu Nov 21 23:55:25 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'just doesn't seem wrong to me, we're different'
[Thu Nov 21 23:55:39 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'thats what makes the world go round'
[Thu Nov 21 23:56:03 2002] Bloregarr tells you, 'ill tell you this though, the item was destroyed, wont be using it again, nor anyone else. its over'
[Thu Nov 21 23:56:10 2002] You told Bloregarr, 'i know'


[Thu Nov 21 23:55:00 2002] You say, 'hey min'
[Thu Nov 21 23:55:08 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'heyas'
[Thu Nov 21 23:55:13 2002] You told Minvardar, 'heya'
[Thu Nov 21 23:55:21 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'what you up to?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:55:23 2002] You told Minvardar, 'havent decided to make my post'
[Thu Nov 21 23:55:29 2002] You told Minvardar, 'talking to officers about it'
[Thu Nov 21 23:55:34 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'I was looking hehe'
[Thu Nov 21 23:55:39 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'whats it abput?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:55:47 2002] You told Minvardar, 'pena'
[Thu Nov 21 23:55:52 2002] You told Minvardar, 'and cheating'
[Thu Nov 21 23:55:59 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'cheating?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:56:54 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'like cheating on mobs?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:56:56 2002] You told minvardar, 'yeah'
[Thu Nov 21 23:57:03 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'ahh insider info you mean?'
[Thu Nov 21 23:57:04 2002] You told Minvardar, 'not so much strat'
[Thu Nov 21 23:57:08 2002] You told Minvardar, 'nah'
[Thu Nov 21 23:57:11 2002] You told Minvardar, 'u know '
[Thu Nov 21 23:57:16 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'yeah'
[Thu Nov 21 23:57:28 2002] You told Minvardar, 'he was suspended because he had an item that was a 350 pt dd insta click'
[Thu Nov 21 23:57:36 2002] You told Minvardar, 'he had it put on his char when he worked for verant'
[Thu Nov 21 23:57:46 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'doh'
[Thu Nov 21 23:58:04 2002] You told Minvardar, 'with this bracer, pena and rae managed to clear the deep with the 3 of them'
[Thu Nov 21 23:58:07 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'had no clue about that'
[Thu Nov 21 23:58:10 2002] You told Minvardar, 'most dont'
[Thu Nov 21 23:58:14 2002] You told Minvardar, 'some officers do'
[Thu Nov 21 23:58:27 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'I see'
[Thu Nov 21 23:58:38 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'I knew they were aklways there'
[Thu Nov 21 23:58:43 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'didnt know about bracer'
[Thu Nov 21 23:58:47 2002] You told relix, 'no one makes her be an officer'
[Thu Nov 21 23:58:58 2002] You told Minvardar, 'will email my statement to u'
[Thu Nov 21 23:58:59 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'uber item hehe'
[Thu Nov 21 23:59:08 2002] You told Minvardar, 'thats why he was suspended'
[Thu Nov 21 23:59:12 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'ok but wait and let me read before you post for feedback'
[Thu Nov 21 23:59:33 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'email is '
[Thu Nov 21 23:59:42 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'zoning'
[Fri Nov 22 00:02:47 2002] Minvardar tells you, 'crashed'
[Fri Nov 22 00:02:52 2002] You told Minvardar, 'ugh'
[Fri Nov 22 00:03:06 2002] You told Minvardar, 'afk a sec'


[Fri Nov 22 00:18:49 2002] You told aerillea, 'heya'
[Fri Nov 22 00:19:12 2002] Aerillea tells you, 'hihi'
[Fri Nov 22 00:19:23 2002] You told Aerillea, 'in the midst of a real dilema'
[Fri Nov 22 00:19:36 2002] You told Aerillea, 'i know u know the details so i wont bore you with them'
[Fri Nov 22 00:19:37 2002] Aerillea tells you, 'hrmm, k'
[Fri Nov 22 00:19:48 2002] You told Aerillea, 'i can sum it up by basically asking 2 questions'
[Fri Nov 22 00:19:58 2002] You told Aerillea, '1 do u think pena was wrong to use '
[Fri Nov 22 00:20:05 2002] You told Aerillea, 'and 2 are u ok with it that she did?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:20:45 2002] Lyranna tells you, 'complicated 0 keep this between us?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:21:04 2002] You told lyranna, 'your answer will stay between us'
[Fri Nov 22 00:21:14 2002] You told lyranna, 'i am asking, or have asked the other officers fyi'
[Fri Nov 22 00:21:34 2002] Lyranna tells you, 'while I don't exactly agree with her using , but heh, put me in the ssame exact position, I'm not sure that I wouldn't have done the same'
[Fri Nov 22 00:21:50 2002] Lyranna tells you, 'heh, being an officer in this guild sometiems means you give up everything to help others'
[Fri Nov 22 00:21:55 2002] You told lyranna, 'i agree that is a great temptation'
[Fri Nov 22 00:22:03 2002] Lyranna tells you, 'so while I think it's wrong'
[Fri Nov 22 00:22:09 2002] Lyranna tells you, 'I'm not sure that I wouldn't have done it myself'
[Fri Nov 22 00:22:11 2002] Lyranna tells you, 'however'
[Fri Nov 22 00:22:32 2002] Lyranna tells you, 'I don't feel it was right for them to belittle those who weren't of level yet'
[Fri Nov 22 00:22:59 2002] Lyranna tells you, 'because she/they wouldn't have been level 65 without it'
[Fri Nov 22 00:23:13 2002] Lyranna tells you, 'kinda like too much of a slap in the face'
[Fri Nov 22 00:23:38 2002] You told Lyranna, 'i agree with u, do u think that something is wrong with us in thinking that?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:23:46 2002] You told Lyranna, 'cause i can tell u most of the others dont'
[Fri Nov 22 00:24:26 2002] You told Lyranna, 'and the reason this is being brought up is because i was planning on making a post about the problems that i see in teh guild'
[Fri Nov 22 00:28:16 2002] Lyranna tells you, 'think it would be pointless too, only cause more problems'
[Fri Nov 22 00:28:45 2002] Lyranna tells you, 'can't fault ppl for not being perfect, because everyone's done stuff that's not so right'
[Fri Nov 22 00:28:50 2002] You told Lyranna, 'kinda getting the feeling that although i feel strongly about it, it woud fall on deaf ears'
[Fri Nov 22 00:29:02 2002] Lyranna tells you, 'only cause more resentment'
[Fri Nov 22 00:29:07 2002] Lyranna tells you, 'long as it's not done again'


[Fri Nov 22 00:52:32 2002] Pena tells the guild, 'omg. almma in cynosure. that validates my entire existence.'
[Fri Nov 22 00:52:39 2002] Dagrath tells the guild, 'almma?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:52:39 2002] Arative tells the guild, 'hahahaha'
[Fri Nov 22 00:52:41 2002] Diggins tells the guild, 'noticed that last night'
[Fri Nov 22 00:52:56 2002] Raenewae tells the guild, 'lol'
[Fri Nov 22 00:53:10 2002] Arative tells the guild, 'thats the funniest @#%$ I've seen all year'
[Fri Nov 22 00:53:11 2002] Tallie tells the guild, 'almma??/ that means if I do get asked I will need to /delete immediately'
[Fri Nov 22 00:53:37 2002] Gaunt tells the guild, 'whos almma?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:53:47 2002] Raenewae tells the guild, 'thats pretty ####### funny heh'
[Fri Nov 22 00:53:48 2002] Minvardar tells the guild, 'hah'
[Fri Nov 22 00:54:00 2002] Diggins tells the guild, 'monk I think'
[Fri Nov 22 00:54:04 2002] Tallie tells the guild, 'monk'
[Fri Nov 22 00:54:08 2002] Moshimoshi tells the guild, 'she is Monk from Pia'
[Fri Nov 22 00:54:17 2002] Arative tells the guild, 'think of a monk, seryne'
[Fri Nov 22 00:54:37 2002] Serah tells the guild, 'does it appear to anyone that they are recruiting the most popular laughing stocks on Tunare on purpose? Hence the name of the guild?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:54:50 2002] Tallie tells the guild, 'geee, I cant' figure out if that is putting down almma or sery '
[Fri Nov 22 01:05:37 2002] Jaxim tells the guild, 'omg almma's in cyno?'
[Fri Nov 22 01:05:40 2002] Jaxim tells the guild, 'LOL'
[Fri Nov 22 01:09:44 2002] Jaxim tells the guild, '/guildstatus Khrolan is the leader of cynosure~'


[Fri Nov 22 00:55:13 2002] You told khrolan, 'u got a sec?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:55:19 2002] You told khrolan, 'gg here'
[Fri Nov 22 00:56:28 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'sup'
[Fri Nov 22 00:56:43 2002] You told Khrolan, 'just wanted to let u know, as if u didnt already'
[Fri Nov 22 00:57:01 2002] You told Khrolan, 'Vae is filled with hypocrits'
[Fri Nov 22 00:57:07 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'lol yep'
[Fri Nov 22 00:57:28 2002] You told Khrolan, 'if u have a sec, i have to tell u'
[Fri Nov 22 00:57:34 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'go for it'
[Fri Nov 22 00:57:34 2002] You told Khrolan, 'i find it very very disheartening'
[Fri Nov 22 00:58:01 2002] You told Khrolan, 'i guess that i expected too much of others, namely the officers'
[Fri Nov 22 00:58:14 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'always a mistake'
[Fri Nov 22 00:58:17 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'snicker'
[Fri Nov 22 00:58:35 2002] You told Khrolan, 'heres a question for u'
[Fri Nov 22 00:58:39 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'alright'
[Fri Nov 22 00:58:42 2002] You told Khrolan, 'do u think its wrong to use ?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:58:50 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'pretty much heh'
[Fri Nov 22 00:58:59 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'what brought this up?'
[Fri Nov 22 00:59:11 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'i mean it really really depends'
[Fri Nov 22 00:59:18 2002] You told Khrolan, 'do u think its more wrong to use , or to use and ##### that ppl dont exp fast enough'
[Fri Nov 22 00:59:30 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'who's "using ?"'
[Fri Nov 22 00:59:40 2002] You told Khrolan, ' was suspended'
[Fri Nov 22 00:59:44 2002] You told Khrolan, 'so no one anymore'
[Fri Nov 22 01:00:03 2002] You told Khrolan, 'but 2 officers, who i wont name, but i am sure u can figure out who they are'
[Fri Nov 22 01:00:10 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'yeah of course'
[Fri Nov 22 01:00:20 2002] You told Khrolan, 'used and then complained that ppl were not of sufficient level'
[Fri Nov 22 01:00:25 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'yep heh'
[Fri Nov 22 01:00:28 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'pretty funny'
[Fri Nov 22 01:00:31 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'makes me laugh.'
[Fri Nov 22 01:00:40 2002] You told Khrolan, 'i am honestly sitting here upset'
[Fri Nov 22 01:00:46 2002] You told Khrolan, 'i cant ####### believe it, but i am'
[Fri Nov 22 01:00:54 2002] You told Khrolan, 'and the worst part'
[Fri Nov 22 01:00:54 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'i hear you bro, i understand heh'
[Fri Nov 22 01:00:59 2002] You told Khrolan, 'if u can get this'
[Fri Nov 22 01:01:06 2002] You told Khrolan, 'i asked the other officers'
[Fri Nov 22 01:01:22 2002] You told Khrolan, 'and the majority of them feel that its "officer priveldge" if u will'
[Fri Nov 22 01:01:33 2002] You told Khrolan, 'they dont admit that its even wrong?/boggle'
[Fri Nov 22 01:02:08 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'they're all ####### hipocrites, that's just a ####### minor example'
[Fri Nov 22 01:02:10 2002] You told Khrolan, 'i know u played with , but at least u have the honesty to say that u think its wrong'
[Fri Nov 22 01:02:15 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'you'd @#%$ if you knew half of the @#%$ that goes on in there'
[Fri Nov 22 01:02:33 2002] You told Khrolan, 'well i have a post'
[Fri Nov 22 01:02:40 2002] You told Khrolan, 'i am not sure if i am going to make it or not'
[Fri Nov 22 01:02:45 2002] You told Khrolan, 'its very inflamatory'
[Fri Nov 22 01:02:53 2002] You told Khrolan, 'would rock the foundations if u will'
[Fri Nov 22 01:02:56 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'don't have to tell me man'
[Fri Nov 22 01:03:00 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'been there heh'
[Fri Nov 22 01:03:01 2002] You told Khrolan, 'at least i think it would'
[Fri Nov 22 01:03:13 2002] You told Khrolan, 'although most of the officers seem to turn a blind eye to it'
[Fri Nov 22 01:03:26 2002] You told Khrolan, 'i just cant ####### believe that they would say @#%$ '
[Fri Nov 22 01:03:34 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'pretty pathetic'
[Fri Nov 22 01:03:41 2002] You told Khrolan, 'like we dont condone cheating, and then go and do that'
[Fri Nov 22 01:03:42 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'but you know how raenewae is heh'
[Fri Nov 22 01:03:53 2002] You told Khrolan, 'yes i know, i have a dick'
[Fri Nov 22 01:03:59 2002] You told Khrolan, 'my dick and him can relate'
[Fri Nov 22 01:04:04 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'lol'
[Fri Nov 22 01:04:15 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'here's all i have to say'
[Fri Nov 22 01:04:22 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'if half of vae knew half of what's going on, man'
[Fri Nov 22 01:04:31 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'i have this ####### screenshot/log collection'
[Fri Nov 22 01:04:36 2002] You told Khrolan, 'haha'
[Fri Nov 22 01:04:44 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'of everything that vae officers and vae people have said for the last 2 years'
[Fri Nov 22 01:04:48 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'that no one knwos about....'
[Fri Nov 22 01:04:57 2002] You told Khrolan, 'i am sure its wild'
[Fri Nov 22 01:04:59 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'Pena tells you, 'I was pretty proud of my little idiots tonight''
[Fri Nov 22 01:05:06 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'that kinda @#%$'
[Fri Nov 22 01:05:13 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'it's ####### horrific'
[Fri Nov 22 01:05:14 2002] You told Khrolan, 'are u serious?'
[Fri Nov 22 01:05:39 2002] You told Khrolan, 'dude, i dont even want to know that is true'
[Fri Nov 22 01:05:42 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'worse than that heh'
[Fri Nov 22 01:05:47 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'gotta camp yo'
[Fri Nov 22 01:05:50 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'dont take it too hard'
[Fri Nov 22 01:05:58 2002] You told Khrolan, 'kk thanks man for listening'
[Fri Nov 22 01:06:01 2002] You told Khrolan, 'appreciate it'
[Fri Nov 22 01:06:04 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'of course'
[Fri Nov 22 01:06:09 2002] You told Khrolan, 'will cya around norrath i am sure'
[Fri Nov 22 01:08:46 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'know that when i left vae'
[Fri Nov 22 01:08:54 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'my reasons were never made public'
[Fri Nov 22 01:09:01 2002] You told Khrolan, 'yeah why did u'
[Fri Nov 22 01:09:06 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'no one knwos why i left heh, it was for good reason'
[Fri Nov 22 01:09:13 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'what 'you're commenting on right now'
[Fri Nov 22 01:09:16 2002] Khrolan tells you, 'is right along the line'


[Fri Nov 22 01:07:15 2002] You told catrekil, 'u got a sec'
[Fri Nov 22 01:07:21 2002] Catrekil tells you, 'ya'
[Fri Nov 22 01:07:24 2002] You told Catrekil, 'phone?'
[Fri Nov 22 01:07:29 2002] Catrekil tells you, 'k, call'




There was also another log, it too has been taken down. It was an interesting conversation with Pena.



[Fri Nov 22 15:28:23 2002] Logging to 'eqlog.txt' is now *ON*.

[Fri Nov 22 15:28:24 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:28:28 2002] Pena tells you, 'My point is not what you think about the matter - I was told it was cleared for use. What I wasn't told - largely because Jov didn't know himself, was that when Lady D and co. left, the policy changed. *shrug* I stopped because it was causing guild issues.'

[Fri Nov 22 15:28:59 2002] You told Pena, 'to be quite honest with u its a huge temptation'

[Fri Nov 22 15:296 2002] You told Pena, 'i cant say that i wouldnt want to use it as well'

[Fri Nov 22 15:29:11 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:29:12 2002] You told Pena, 'the problem is no longer that it was used'

[Fri Nov 22 15:29:18 2002] Pena tells you, 'Of course you can't - you DID want to use it for yourself.'

[Fri Nov 22 15:29:19 2002] You told Pena, 'but that the officers believe that it was ok'

[Fri Nov 22 15:29:24 2002] You told Pena, 'afk a sec'

[Fri Nov 22 15:29:35 2002] Pena tells you, 'It wasn't an issue for you, until wouldn't give you his account info.'

[Fri Nov 22 15:29:58 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:30:44 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:30:45 2002] You told Pena, 'i wanted to see the item for myself'

[Fri Nov 22 15:31:21 2002] Seryne tells you, 'o you deguilded'

[Fri Nov 22 15:31:25 2002] Pena tells you, '*shrug* It wasn't an issue, though you claimed to have known about it for over a year, until you decided you should be able to use it, and were denied. '

[Fri Nov 22 15:31:31 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:31:38 2002] Pena tells you, 'The officers thought it was okay because we were TOLD it was okay.'

[Fri Nov 22 15:321 2002] You told Pena, 'no it became an issue when u complained that ppl werent leveling and u were "cheating' to level'

[Fri Nov 22 15:328 2002] You told seryne, 'yep'

[Fri Nov 22 15:32:18 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:32:19 2002] Pena tells you, 'I wasn't using MY experience as a guideline.'

[Fri Nov 22 15:32:22 2002] Pena tells you, 'Know who I used?'

[Fri Nov 22 15:32:24 2002] Pena tells you, 'Morniel.'

[Fri Nov 22 15:32:49 2002] You told Pena, 'i saw u and rae and in the deep'

[Fri Nov 22 15:32:58 2002] You told Pena, 'and i know u were using it in cod'

[Fri Nov 22 15:331 2002] Pena tells you, 'The day I bitched people out for not being 63 (I got 63, ON MY OWN, in less than a week), Morniel, a single mom with a full time job who, at the time, had not been helped at all by anyone, was 63.'

[Fri Nov 22 15:335 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:33:50 2002] Pena tells you, '3 weeks after PoP came out - people were still 61. And you think that I'm a hypocrite for telling people they needed to NOT be 61/62 in 3 weeks?'

[Fri Nov 22 15:33:52 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:34:13 2002] Pena tells you, 'I've NEVER bitched people out for their aaxp - which is, pre pop, all I used for.'

[Fri Nov 22 15:34:38 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:359 2002] You told Pena, 'not aa but regular exp and u did, i remember u made a slip up and typed /1 thinking it was officer chat'

[Fri Nov 22 15:35:10 2002] Pena tells you, 'as for the cod thing - I used him once post-pop, for half a real level. The other 2x I used him were for aaxp, again - I have never bitched about people's aaxp, and I never will. Ever.'

[Fri Nov 22 15:35:25 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:35:55 2002] You told Pena, 'and a joke was made that know we know which number is officer chat'

[Fri Nov 22 15:36:12 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:36:19 2002] Pena tells you, 'oh - that night in vt?'

[Fri Nov 22 15:36:23 2002] Pena tells you, 'ochat is 2.'

[Fri Nov 22 15:36:25 2002] Pena tells you, 'but that's ok.'

[Fri Nov 22 15:36:32 2002] You told Pena, 'whatever'

[Fri Nov 22 15:36:36 2002] Pena tells you, 'that slip up was people not being 63.'

[Fri Nov 22 15:36:59 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:372 2002] Pena tells you, 'were you even paying attention? I mentioned people being 61/62, after 3 weeks in PoP, when people like MOrniel, who work a ton and do it all on her own, were 63 even'

[Fri Nov 22 15:37:21 2002] Pena tells you, '75 percent of the raid was 63 or higher - and that, at the time, was the target'

[Fri Nov 22 15:37:22 2002] You told Pena, 'again if u dont think that there is anything wrong with it, then thats fine, i dont feel that its right'

[Fri Nov 22 15:37:24 2002] Pena tells you, 'not 64, not 65.'

[Fri Nov 22 15:37:32 2002] Pena tells you, 'You're not listening'

[Fri Nov 22 15:37:33 2002] You told Pena, 'doesnt matter if it was 61 or 65'

[Fri Nov 22 15:37:41 2002] Pena tells you, 'I'm NOT HOLDING PEOPLE TO THIS STANDARD'

[Fri Nov 22 15:37:45 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:38:17 2002] You told Pena, 'well it was fun while it lasted'

[Fri Nov 22 15:38:28 2002] You told Pena, 'wish vae well in the future'

[Fri Nov 22 15:38:32 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:38:32 2002] Pena tells you, 'I don't expect people to lvl that fast - that would be the height of hypocracy. I do, however, expect people who claim to be serious players, to be able to keep up with Morniel, who can't solo, can't play during the day, and can only xp on days off'

[Fri Nov 22 15:39:19 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:406 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:40:53 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:41:39 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:42:26 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:43:13 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:43:22 2002] saved.

[Fri Nov 22 15:440 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:44:47 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:45:33 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:46:20 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:477 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:47:42 2002] It will take you about 30 seconds to prepare your camp.

[Fri Nov 22 15:47:46 2002] It will take about 25 more seconds to prepare your camp.

[Fri Nov 22 15:47:51 2002] It will take about 20 more seconds to prepare your camp.

[Fri Nov 22 15:47:54 2002] You are low on drink.

[Fri Nov 22 15:47:56 2002] It will take about 15 more seconds to prepare your camp.

[Fri Nov 22 15:481 2002] It will take about 10 more seconds to prepare your camp.

[Fri Nov 22 15:486 2002] It will take about 5 more seconds to prepare your camp.

[Fri Nov 22 15:48:13 2002] You abandon your preparations to camp.

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Response:

[Wed Nov 27 16:43:38 2002] Logging to 'eqlog.txt' is now *ON*.
[Wed Nov 27 16:52:08 2002] You told Gindas, 'hey man, that was fast, not working?'
[Wed Nov 27 16:52:21 2002] Gindas tells you, 'nah took day off'
[Wed Nov 27 16:52:40 2002] You told Gindas, 'so wtf is that @#%$ on the tunare board? thats the last thing i want to see when i wake up'
[Wed Nov 27 16:53:14 2002] Gindas tells you, 'i dont know, u tell me'
[Wed Nov 27 16:53:19 2002] Gindas tells you, 'is any of that true?'
[Wed Nov 27 16:53:51 2002] You told Gindas, 'no wtf, like none of that was true. It was kinda amazing reading that but i know for a fact that they wouldnt have said any of that. '
[Wed Nov 27 16:54:05 2002] You told Gindas, 'plus all the logs looked the same, seemed like it was from one person'
[Wed Nov 27 16:55:21 2002] Gindas tells you, 'do u know why pena and rae got 65 so fast?'
[Wed Nov 27 16:55:56 2002] You told Gindas, 'what do you ean by fast? I got 65 before both of them and all i did was grind exp in CoD with bots, i have ike 20 people that witnessed it'
[Wed Nov 27 16:56:08 2002] You told Gindas, 'do you have any proof that rae and pena actually EXPLOITED?'
[Wed Nov 27 16:56:12 2002] Gindas tells you, 'sec'
[Wed Nov 27 16:57:06 2002] You told Gindas, 'do you have screenshots? i mean, do you have anything bsides your word?'
[Wed Nov 27 16:57:11 2002] Gindas tells you, 'no'
[Wed Nov 27 16:57:24 2002] Gindas tells you, 'someone told me that they were exploiting using some item'
[Wed Nov 27 16:57:28 2002] Gindas tells you, 'i never seen it'
[Wed Nov 27 16:57:36 2002] Gindas tells you, 'but they got 65 so fast, they must have used it'
[Wed Nov 27 16:57:41 2002] You told Gindas, '....'
[Wed Nov 27 16:57:51 2002] You told Gindas, 'wtf you're serious? thats @#%$ gay lol'
[Wed Nov 27 16:58:10 2002] Gindas tells you, 'someone showed me a link to an item and said thats what they were using. '
[Wed Nov 27 16:58:23 2002] You told Gindas, 'ok, but you dont have anything else besides that?'
[Wed Nov 27 16:58:30 2002] Gindas tells you, 'no, but im sure of it'
[Wed Nov 27 16:58:58 2002] You told Gindas, 'and what about those posts from the officers, did they really say that @#%$? I asked them about it and they said it never happened'
[Wed Nov 27 16:59:16 2002] Gindas tells you, 'between me and u, yea i made that up'
[Wed Nov 27 16:59:20 2002] Gindas tells you, 'i dont like them'
[Wed Nov 27 16:59:31 2002] Gindas tells you, 'u saw how they guildremoved me before i was able to say goodbye'
[Wed Nov 27 16:59:37 2002] Gindas tells you, 'that pissed me off'
[Wed Nov 27 16:59:51 2002] You told Gindas, 'man, im in shock wtf'
[Wed Nov 27 17:00:20 2002] You told Gindas, 'why pena and them specifically? i mean you basically just attcked them straight out'
[Wed Nov 27 17:00:28 2002] You told Gindas, 'did they do anything to you?'
[Wed Nov 27 17:00:33 2002] Gindas tells you, 'no'
[Wed Nov 27 17:00:35 2002] Gindas tells you, 'but i never liked pena'
[Wed Nov 27 17:00:43 2002] Gindas tells you, 'i cant stand her'
[Wed Nov 27 17:01:03 2002] Gindas tells you, 'i dont like the way she barks orders and the way she treats people'
[Wed Nov 27 17:01:17 2002] You told Gindas, 'so that gives you the right to just make up @#%$ about them?'
[Wed Nov 27 17:01:38 2002] Gindas tells you, 'plus all she does is give loot to her friends'
[Wed Nov 27 17:01:51 2002] Gindas tells you, 'alot of people have complained about her loot decisions'
[Wed Nov 27 17:01:57 2002] Gindas tells you, 'yes i think it goes give me the right'
[Wed Nov 27 17:02:15 2002] You told Gindas, 'why didnt you make up a post about me then? '
[Wed Nov 27 17:02:21 2002] Gindas tells you, 'i never had a problem with you =P'
[Wed Nov 27 17:02:27 2002] You told Gindas, '...'
[Wed Nov 27 17:02:35 2002] You told Gindas, 'i dunno man, thats way too @#%$ up'
[Wed Nov 27 17:03:01 2002] Gindas tells you, 'doesnt matter now, its already posted'
[Wed Nov 27 17:03:04 2002] Gindas tells you, 'i already quit'
[Wed Nov 27 17:03:19 2002] You told Gindas, 'i dont see the point in all of this @#%$ but thats your choice'
[Wed Nov 27 17:03:23 2002] You told Gindas, 'sec, getting jacked'
[Wed Nov 27 17:04:08 2002] You told Gindas, 'k sorry about that'
[Wed Nov 27 17:04:36 2002] You told Gindas, 'who told you that they used that item?'
[Wed Nov 27 17:04:53 2002] Gindas tells you, 'i cant say'
[Wed Nov 27 17:04:57 2002] You told Gindas, 'wtf bleh'
Wed Nov 27 17:05:26 2002] You told Gindas, 'but you never saw it nor have you seen it in use?'
[Wed Nov 27 17:05:30 2002] Madisson saved.
[Wed Nov 27 17:05:30 2002] Gindas tells you, 'yea'
[Wed Nov 27 17:05:42 2002] Gindas tells you, 'i think they used it'
[Wed Nov 27 17:05:47 2002] You told Gindas, 'umm ok'
[Wed Nov 27 17:05:49 2002] Hemocrit says out of character, '57 cleric lfg'
[Wed Nov 27 17:06:39 2002] You told Gindas, 'im going to log, this is way too gay for me'
[Wed Nov 27 17:06:46 2002] You told Gindas, 'i cant believ you did that lol'
[Wed Nov 27 17:07:09 2002] Gindas tells you, 'and rae and the other officers, they all just loot whores'
[Wed Nov 27 17:07:32 2002] Gindas tells you, 'i ask for an item like once a month'
[Wed Nov 27 17:07:36 2002] Gindas tells you, 'and they get it over me still'
[Wed Nov 27 17:08:04 2002] You told Gindas, 'i dont know what to say to that, we log attendance and all that other stuff just so we dont have any arguments'
Wed Nov 27 17:08:34 2002] You told Gindas, 'i need to go seriously, im late for dinner with family'
[Wed Nov 27 17:08:40 2002] Gindas tells you, 'k'
[Wed Nov 27 17:08:45 2002] Gindas tells you, 'u have my email'
[Wed Nov 27 17:08:53 2002] You must be sitting to prepare to camp.
[Wed Nov 27 17:08:56 2002] It will take you about 30 seconds to prepare your camp.







Discuss or not.


/ Humor in the strangest places... - Thursday, December 12, 2002 - D 0ne



/ Humor in the strangest places... - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - D 0ne

Editorial: The Time Has Come filed by Moorgard
12/09/2002 02:10 AM CST 136 Comments
Today, on all US-based servers, the nature of the way mobs spawn penalizes everyone in the four major US time zones: Pacific, Mountain, Central, Eastern. We're going to explain how exactly the game is broken, and urge SOE to fix it right away.
Before we begin, you need a basic understanding of how time zones around the world work. The main "standard" of global time is known as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT). Named for the city in England that lies at zero degrees longitude, GMT is the baseline by which global time can be measured. For example, I live in Minnesota, which is in the Central time zone. During Central Standard Time, Minnesota is six hours behind Greenwich time; therefore, CST is expressed as (GMT -6). When Minnesota observes Daylight Savings Time, we move our clocks forward one hour in the spring. Thus, Central Daylight Time is expressed as (GMT -5).

For the sake of reference, here are some places around the world and how their standard time zones are expressed in Greenwich Mean Time:

Sweeden (GMT +1)
Sydney, Australia (GMT +10)
Japan (GMT +9)
Iraq (GMT +3)
Hawaii (GMT -10)
South Africa (GMT +2)
Jamaica (GMT -5)
Moscow (GMT +3)

How does this relate to EverQuest? If you've noticed, patches are always listed on the Scheduled Downtime page in Pacific time, since that's where the EQ offices are headquartered. Patches usually start at 3 AM Pacific, which is 11 AM GMT, as England is eight hours ahead. If a patch lasts five hours, that means the servers are supposed to be up again at 8 AM Pacific, or well before most US players even log on. In England, though, the same patch gets done at 4 PM, which might impact the playtime of a lot of people there.

This is a standard complaint of many European players--a long patch can easily cut into their prime-time hours. While this is indeed unfortunate, SOE does it this way on the basis that if you have to negatively impact your user base, it's best to affect the smallest number of users possible.

Re-read the above statement carefully, because I'll be referring back to it later.

Okay, so patches are designed to minimize the impact upon US players, since that's where the majority of EverQuest customers reside. Seems reasonable, right? So US players should be happy with this, correct?

Well, not the ones in the mid- to high-end game--as in any player with an interest in killing ubermobs. Because of the way these mobs currently spawn, players outside the four major US time zones--especially those in Europe--have a clear advantage. Why? Because the prime time for almost every raiding guild is the early evening hours of whatever time zone they are in. Since Europe is five to eight hours ahead of the US, that means Euro players can kill multiple targets before most US players are even home from work.

Boss mobs spawn one of two ways--either immediately when the server comes up or with a random (often within 24 hours) timer. A lot of the bosses in Planes of Power fall into the former category, which means these mobs (many of which give flags to deeper zones) can be monopolized by players outside of US time zones. When one guild deliberately uses this fact to stop the advancement of another, this is commonly known as "cockblocking," and it remains an issue.

But don't randomized spawn times fix the problem? In theory, but not in practice. Say the servers go down for a two-hour patch, coming back up at 5 AM PST (1 PM GMT). If a prime-time raid for a US-based guild in the Eastern time zone starts at 7 PM, that gives a European guild 14 hours in which to get to mobs first. An awful lot of "random" ubermobs pop within those 14 hours. And when you've got multiple guilds competing at the upper end of the game, when critical mobs in Ssra or Vex Thal are contested targets, that gives non-US players a completely unfair advantage.

This is not to say that guilds outside the US shouldn't have a fair shot at content. The key phrase being, of course, a fair shot. There's nothing just or balanced about the way boss mobs currently spawn, because the ability to get to a spawn is not governed by how skillful your guild is or how able you are to kill the target, but simply by what time you can log in to the game.

Proponents of the current system argue that such obstacles can be overcome through negotiation. US guilds should simply work out deals with Euro guilds in order to rotate spawns. While that's a nice idea, the fact is that if two guilds are at the exact same level in the game, the Euros have the upper hand. Aside from a spirit of cooperation, what's the motivation for a Euro guild to agree to any such compromise? They have a better shot at getting the mobs they want anyway. The US guild has very little to offer.

This situation needs to change. It's a matter of customer service. The vast majority of EverQuest players are located in the four main US time zones. SOE favors those customers already by planning patches around them. Why shouldn't mob access be handled in the same fashion?

Well, it is easier on SOE's customer service department this way. What is one of the trickiest disputes for a guide/GM to handle? Two uberguilds fighting over a mob. With the current spawn method, the CS staff avoids a lot of headaches. Coincidence, or just a byproduct of a flawed system? It's fodder for conspiracy theorists, to be sure, but there might be some grain of truth in it.

So what is the solution to all this? When in doubt, SOE should go back to the principle I pointed out above: if you have to negatively impact your user base, it's best to affect the smallest number of users possible. Only certain time zones can have the best shot at ubermobs--that's just a fact of life. The players who deserve that shot should be the ones in the four major US time zones. This is where the majority of customers are located, and these are the people SOE should be most concerned about pleasing.

Change spawn times so that the majority of boss mobs are most likely to spawn between the hours of 5 PM and 11 PM Eastern. This would spread out the targets enough that no single guild could monopolize them all, while still leaving some targets open for guilds that raid at non-standard hours.

The spawn window has to be relatively short in duration. Currently Euro guilds have the first crack at boss mobs, but they also have a pretty good shot at picking up the ones that happen to take a really long time to spawn, as any mobs that pop after the typical US guild raid times will just be picked off the next day. Thus the majority of spawns need to fit inside the hours I listed above.

Ah, but wouldn't changing the spawn times bring back the old problem of racing for ubermobs? Sure. But it would also create a level playing field for the vast majority of the player base. It would give guilds a real motivation to work out deals and rotations, as players find themselves on much more equal footing. Euro guilds could still negotiate for spawns--it's just that they'd be at a disadvantage in doing so, instead of the other way around.

This isn't a matter of preferring one country over another or making things harder for a certain ethnic group. It's about pleasing the majority of customers--something SOE should have a keen interest in doing. It would be foolish for localized servers in Europe or Asia to cater to anyone other than the players in those time zones, right? Think of the classic EQ servers as being localized in the US and apply the same logic.

Whatever level of the game your guild finds itself in, this issue should be an important one to you. We urge you to write letters to the SOE customer service people and to file petitions in game.

The game is broken. The game is unfair. Fix it, and fix it now.
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God, that cracks me up! One of the best whining rants I've read in a long, long time. What does the "MobHunter fan base think?

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The best IMHO:

Now that the "other guy" has it, they whine
12/10/2002 04:01 AM CST
Edited: 12/10/2002 04:26 AM CST
Moorgard sez:
"If US-based guilds on a particular server outnumber Euro-based guilds 4:1, should spawn times be divided 50/50 between time zones? Of course not. The biggest customer base should get the majority of spawns."

Bwaaahahahahaahahahha!!!!
The majority of the players are not in uber-guilds Moorgard. If what you said was true and had merit, ALL MOBS should be made accessible to low to mid level guilds no matter what time zones they are in. No more protected access camps and time sink keys that overly favor uber-guilds that can put in the excessive man-hours. Yar, the biggest customer base... whats that? Casual players.


BYTW, if your guild has any real cojons, you guys ought to be camping those spawns the moment servers get on-line. If you can't due to work commitments, sleep requirements or RL issues then STFU "Noobie casual player"!!! Nope thats not a slam on newbies or casual players, thats Mobhunters (and the uberguilds) usual reaction from casual or non-uber guilds demanding access to high end content. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, they don't like it do they?

Why just stop at the states? Why not aim all spawns specifically at certain US states that has the biggest number of players? California? Oh and GM events that give out phat lewts?.... Oh dear... they are already happening during US primetimes! TAKE THAT you nasty Euro/Asian players! no phat lewtz for you!

I am afraid you are letting your bias in this case get the "whinage" out of you. What you have accused of other people in the past of overly exaggeration (sp?) and magnifying a minor point - you do so now yourself. That you use Mobhunter as a soap box to whine your personal crusade (of course to the detriment of a good number of players - Euro or otherwise) reveals yourself as a hypocrite of very little integrity. Did it ever dawn to you in your whinefest that any tinkering of the timers to weigh the balance to specifically favor US primetimes would effectively lock out Euro/Asian guilds. Nope, in your mindset you have fallen specifially into the very thing that you blithely condemn in others.

"Waaaahhhhh!! I want it now and I dont want others to get it!"
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Classic "SOE owes me!" whine, and a classic "STFU NEWB" response.

Speaking of:



Discuss Moorgard becoming a whiner and ranter!


/ 500 days played and you get a shinny... - Monday, December 9, 2002 - D 0ne



/ Even the Radical Web Sites get it, just like we do... - Friday, December 6, 2002 - D 0ne



/ So it begins, bye-bye Monkly Business - Thursday, December 5, 2002 - D 0ne



/ Mythic add naughty emotes. Response Mixed. - Wednesday, December 4, 2002 - D 0ne

bre_rawr (Vault Mod who works for Mythic) said -

[mod] New thread here: Sanya's Thread

There's way too many of these guys floating around, so I'm going to start a new, official thread on the discussion of the new emotes.

Just one thing to note:

The game is rated Teen. If you're worried about how your 12 year old son or daughter is going to react when seeing someone /rude or /taunt them in RVR, you need to read up on the rating system to fully understand what a "TEEN" rating indicates. This is a parental responsability that any mature adult would take upon himself to ensure the proper online gaming experience for his/her children.

Older threads that I locked to focus discussion onto this thread:

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=41229702&replies=98

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=41204795&replies=235

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=41208515&replies=43

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Note: the Mythic Employee who Mods the IGVNzyx boards makes a mistake in noting that the "TEEN" rating automatically covers "SEXUAL" content. It doesn't, in fact the game is rated "TEEN" only for the "VIOLENT" content. Mod, Moron, same thing.
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Sanya (Who we all know is actually SoulFlame richous Mod from LtM and the WT boards) Said -

Here's a reprint, with a new category added!

This is the most insane thread I have seen in months.

Let me see if I can sum up:

1) Some people really, really hate the /taunt emote because they think it crosses a line into vulgarity land.

2) Some people find it amusing.

3) Some people consider violence and mild vulgarity to be equal in impact, and therefore the new emote should stay.

4) Some people consider violence and mild vulgarity to be equal in impact, but the new emote is more than mildly vulgar.

5) Many people hijacked the thread into a discussion of the nature of violence that mutated into some bizarre conversation about warfare and invading Iraq.

6) Some people turned this into a "protect the children" drama.

7) Some people turned this into a "let me have my entertainment without having to sanitize it to protect your children" drama.

8) A significant number really, really don't care and just like flame wars.

9) A certain number of people attempted to draw parallels between in-game behavior and real world - which, while valid to some extent, will (like all analogies) break down if pushed too far.

Did I get it all?

FYI - I have passed on the feedback for categories 1 through 4.

I happen to think it was funny. I have never watched professional wrestling, and did not know a similar gesture was used. I do feel the need to say that a similar gesture has been in use since the game's time period - WWWhatever didn't invent it. It also happens that there are people here at Mythic who didn't like the gesture at all.

SO - with your feedback, we'll go talk about it again. Thank you all!



P.S. For the person who said no one asked for more emotes... you're quite wrong. I looked at a WHOLE lot of "the one thing" threads, and lots of people wanted a variety of emotes ranging from crude to refined. Sorry.
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I'll translate:

Some of the sex starved geeks at Mythic copied a pro wrestlers taunt for the game DAoC. Now SoulFlam... Er Sanya has to lie about it. The best part Soulflam... Er Sanya just can't hide her hatred of the playerbase! Woot, enjoy!

Nothing new here?
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Discuss or Not.


/ EverQuest battles cheat software - Tuesday, December 3, 2002 - D 0ne

Monday, 2 December, 2002, 12:13 GMT
EverQuest battles cheat software




A war is raging for the heart of the popular online fantasy game
EverQuest.

But this battle is not being fought between players and marauding
hordes of monsters.

Instead the fight is between Sony, who run the game, and an anonymous
group of programmers who have created software that makes the game
almost too easy to play.

So far the helper program has only been available to a small number of
EverQuest regulars. But the escalating conflict could mean that it
will be made available to almost any player that wants it.

Data scramble

The program that has sparked the row is called ShowEQ. It gives
EverQuest players a detailed map of their location with all the
monsters, computer controlled characters and other players marked on
it.

Sony has sought to stop ShowEQ working because, as the name of
EverQuest implies, searching for helpers and tracking down monsters is
the central part of the game.

With ShowEQ players can walk directly to the helpful characters,
ambush monsters and find out how powerful foes are.

ShowEQ works by listening in to all the packets of data sent to a
player and drawing the map with the information they contain but which
is usually denied to players.


Current versions of the tapping software require a separate computer
running the Linux operating system that must also share the same
network as the PC being used to play the game.

This has meant that, until now, ShowEQ has had a limited effect on the
game.

The fact that ShowEQ sits on a separate computer has made it
impossible to detect. Sony has tried to stop it in other ways by
improving the encryption used to make the packets of data unreadable.

However, it took only a week for the ShowEQ programmers to get round
this improved encryption.

The programmers found that the new encryption was easier to break than
the old one and meant that ShowEQ worked faster than before.

Fighting back

Now Sony has changed the encryption system again to stymie attempts to
crack it and so far seems to have succeeded.

But as contributors to the Slashdot website, which has chronicled the
battles between Sony and ShowEQ, pointed out, many users of the
program are Sony's best customers.

Many of them run several different characters in the game and pay
large sums every month to keep on playing.

Sony's improved encryption only seems to have stiffened the resolve of
the ShowEQ creators.

Now they are considering making a version of their software that works
with Windows, a move that will make it available to all EverQuest
players.
Discuss or not


/ thechosen.com - Tuesday, December 3, 2002 - D 0ne